[TheCrazyCal]

purely water bloat.

what if the test isnt a patch?

but the solution to whatver my prob is..

its like HT and his slin..

[andy]

you misunderstand me dude...

for all my little digs - i think this is a FAR better solution than anti-d's!

better to treat the problem (albeit through self medicated guess work lol) that to mask it with a pill and change nothing.

[TheCrazyCal]

lol youre just trying to mitigate staying on pmsl

its like when count dracula raises his cape over the unsuspecting young lady..

muhahahaha

[andy]

ok.. maybe a little bit..

[TheCrazyCal]

seems 10mg per day is common in the US as a dose and on forums 200g is laughably justified..

prostrate has come up frequently, but when your talking yank doses mine is negligeable.
staying on would mean sublingual hcg.

how many drops can you get 250iu of hcg into andy?

250iu (wtf are iu) 2x a week is that correctamundo?

[andy]

i dunno tbh... my dose would be 500iu eod but thats for a decent IM course.

you really want to drip something harvested from pregnant women's p!ss under your tongue??

its water soluable so i cant imagine it would be too hard to get into a small amount of oil.

[TheCrazyCal]

so dr.andys recommends regular face sitting by a preggers lady ... okiley dokley!

tbh i need to reborrow book and reread.
as i said my dose is small by trt standards but this could be cos the authors conclusions are based n not shutting you down...
there should be a difference between supplementing and totaly surplanting natural test levels.
presumably as time goes on i would have to increase dose as my age works against me and i produce less naturally..

could 4 mg shut me down and tehn cos i`m continueing to dose at 4mg i`ll only have 4 mg in me ...leading me then to articially raise T level 100% with synthetic test e?
i`d then have to be taking 10mg a day which i would want to get into..unless it was warranted when iwas like 60 odd..

soo if i wasnt taking enuff to shut me down i shouldnt need hcg(altho it does raise T levels)
so maybe looking out for nut shrinkage and make a decision then?
not bothered about a lack of libido for a few weeks..(wll havea pct sittin gthere just in case)

ohh had some wicked teenage spots this week and am needing more deoderant than before..not hornier tho..but then thats not an issue..

[andy]

ok, heres my thoughts... for what theyre worth lol.

your body will be aware of how much test you produce.. and will therefore be aware of the supplementation and would adjust accordingly whether theres a range within which it says 'ok, this is normal' or not i dont know - i suppose only time will tell.

all guesswork by the way.. but makes sense i think?

[TheCrazyCal]

ish..

[TheCrazyCal]

erm says in article i posted up originally that test prop is ok

am gonna email author and ask him if the average person gets shut down on 4 mg of test e.

i think i`m doing an OD about needing hcg or not when i should just wait and see if anything shrinks..

the improvment in quality of life is like the magic bullet i was after with my back..
and coupled with not expecting this work its a real about turn in my views about meds..
not comfortable with the thought of continuous use but..so far i cant think of a reason not too..

i cant help thinking what a gram a week would be like..it cant be 4000x better well being wise..

[TheCrazyCal]

http://www.youngagain.com/magento/supplements
thats from rog`s web site and is thelist of sups he stocks..
what is of greater interest is what he doesnt stock cos he point blankly says it doesnt work..
how refreshing...

[TheCrazyCal]

hi cal,
just buy a zrt kit and test dhea and testoserone.
or estradiol and testosterone. mail it to oregon by
UPS at your own expense. you may or may not
become androgen resistant.
best,
roger


errm what exactly in extreme laymans terms does androgen resistant mean?

[andy]

my first thought is recptor downgrading...?

[TheCrazyCal]

sunday sport version please

i`m happy to get a saliva testing kit..

so am i testing to see if i`m err what? and you reckon i`d do it when?
when i`m on it or after i`d been off for 1 month?

if i come off first time round(which i`m not keen on) i`d do no pct to see if the blood tests are in line with reality..ie wood...

[andy]

lol.. lets say build up a resistance instead - same thing really.

if it were me - id take the test when i felt that i should come off and use it as a marker either way.. if everything is fine then keep going.. if not, it'll be a good enough reason to help justify coming off mentally.